Bartee Y-DNA

Surnames/tags: Bartee Bartie Barty

Contents 1 Bartee Y-DNA 2 What is the Country of Origin? 2.1 Scotland 2.1.1 Bartee Families in the US Indicating a Scottish Heritage 2.2 France 3 Bartee Origins – Project Report – 20 Dec 2021 4 Acknowledgements

Bartee Y-DNA

Welcome to the Y-DNA page for the Bartee Name Study. Here you will find the on-going results of Y-DNA tests for participating members. Goals of the project are:

1. to discover which Bartee - Bartie - Barty lines may be unified under a common ancestor
2. discover the country of origin for these lines

What is the Country of Origin?

Scotland

We have assumed our Bartee/Bartie/Barty families were of European descent, but a specific location was not known. Theories included France, Scotland, England, and Germany. All kits currently in the project (August 2022) indicate a likely common ancestor if their trees are extended a few more generations, however only one of those kits has a documented line back to a European location. Based upon the current findings, If you are closely related to one of the Y-DNA participants, you should be eyeing Scotland as the country of origin for your Bartee/Bartie/Barty ancestors.

Kit #169883 has a well documented history back to Perthshire, Scotland. The Scottish emigrant of this line, David Barty, boarded the ship Abrota in Glasgow City, Lanarkshire, Scotland, bound for Port Phillip Bay, Australia in 1852. Reportedly, others from this branch of the family emigrated to Canada and South Africa. A project is currently underway on WikiTree to publish what is known for this line and to link the Canadian and South African branches.

You may view the profile page for David Barty at: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Barty-91

All are invited and welcome to help with this project!

Bartee Families in the US Indicating a Scottish Heritage

• William Martin Bartee (1852-1938): biographical sketch published in 1902 stated ""The family represented by Mr. Bartee of Riverside came to America in an early day from Scotland and has since been identified with the history of the southern and western states." See his profile for more information.

• Benjamin S Bartee (1859-1934): on the 1900 census reported father's place of birth as Scotland. Research reveals his father was not born in Scotland, but this indicates a belief of Scottish heritage for this branch. (This is a brother of the above William Martin Bartee).

France

• John Bartee (abt.1793-1857) (residence - Virginia): Recently a record was found indicating this Bartee line may trace back to France. There is not much available in paper documents and no DNA evidence at this time. The individual's spouse and children are identified, but we are still looking to identify his parents and siblings. Occupation: Merchant. This is intriguing information which should be researched more thoroughly. Check out his profile page for more information.

• John Bartee (abt.1803-bef.1870) (residence - Missouri): Another possible French connection has appeared with, surprisingly, another John Bartee. Again, not a lot of information is available at this time and there is some conflicting data on year and location of birth. Census ages place John's year of birth as about 1794 or 1803, and location as Virginia. His children later report his place of birth as France. More than one child reports this, and they report it more than once. It is obvious they had reason to believe he was born in France. Occupation: Mechanic, Carpenter.

There are similarities between these two men other than their names... year of birth for both possibly around 1793/1794, and both have Virginia and France in common. However, there is not enough to say they are the same man, and unfortunately the Missouri county records which would have supplied more details were destroyed.

What we can take from this is that we either have 1) two Bartee men with French heritage, or 2) one man born in France, spent his early years in Virginia, and then appeared in Missouri in his mid 50's with a younger wife and family. If the situation is the former (2 separate men) then we have more evidence of a possible French Bartee line. However, another possibility considering some of the Scotland Bartie's went to Canada is that John was from that group and was considered to be "French" Canadian. More questions than answers at this point.

• John Bartee (abt.1797-) (residence - Indiana): Add one more John Bartee with a similar birthdate (1797) to this list. This John appears in Indiana. Occupation: Merchant. On the 1850 census provides Virginia as his place of birth. However, his son William lists France as his father's place of birth on one census, and later that is also reported on William's death certificate. Again, this shows some family tradition of a French heritage.

Bartee Origins – Project Report – 20 Dec 2021

Below are the 5 kits currently in our Bartee Origins Y-DNA Surname Project showing the line of ascent to the MDKA (most distant known ancestor). (Click on the image and it should be large enough to read). **CHECK YOUR LINE AND REPORT ANY TYPOS I MAY HAVE MADE IN COPYING THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED.** For the 3 light green kits, I have taken the liberty of placing 2 UNKNOWN generations and then Robert Bartee of Norfolk, Virginia. Descendants on these 3 light green lines do not have an authenticated paper line to Robert, however they do have autosomal matches to each other. More importantly, individuals within these lines have autosomal matches to Robert’s descendants who can provide the paper documentation.

Next category is the blue kit. I absolutely expected that one to fall under Robert Bartee, because 1) we have the Bartee name and 2) family members are in the southern states, starting in Virginia. However, at this point and at my current Y-DNA knowledge level, it doesn’t fit the criteria to fall under Robert Bartee. I believe we will find a connection, but it will be before Robert.

Lastly, we come to the darker green kit. This one is VERY interesting. The surname is Barty, sometimes Bartie. This line begins with the MDKA in Perthshire, Scotland and ends in Australia.^[1] There are other reported emigrations in this line from Scotland to both South Africa and Canada. Both the light green group and the blue kit are more closely matched to the dark green kit than they are to each other, with the lighter green being the closer match. The TiP calculator, available at FTDNA, was used to calculator the estimated time to a common ancestor. You will find a table with those results at the end of this report, along with an explanation of what you are viewing. Bottom line, those calculations matched up very nicely with the timelines of the ancestral lines for the light green/dark green groups, indicating a potential common ancestor appearing if those lines are extended another generation or two. Estimates for the blue kit put the common ancestor back a little further on the tree.

Completing this portion of the research gave me some level of confidence these kit owners and their relatives will all be looking to Scotland as the ancestral home. That was a very exciting moment for me!! As a granddaughter of Willie Bartee (b. 1884, TX) in the line of Kit #B453145, I will be focusing on the Perthshire region of Scotland for evidence on Robert Bartee, the proposed MDKA for the light green kits.

The next exciting moment for me, which also solidified the thought of Perthshire, Scotland as the ancestral home, occurred when I decided to check my autosomal matches at AncestryDNA for those who had Barty or Bartie in their tree. The very first match I viewed tied in with the line for the dark green kit! This match was with C. Tagg at 18 cM. (Pedigree: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/24543524/family/pedigree?cfpid=1596735995) Her 2xgreat-grandmother, Margaret Bartie, emigrated from Scotland to Australia in the mid-1850’s. This is a separate branch off the dark green kit’s line, intersecting at James Barty (b. 1765, d. 1821). Now light greens have not only Y-DNA, but also an autosomal match to this line.

Further searching in autosomal matches for both myself and some Bartee cousins revealed additional matches which included the name Barty/Bartie in Perthshire within their pedigrees. The lines for those matches all stopped short of connecting to the dark green kit’s line. Further research is recommended. These matches fell in the 6 – 8 cM range, which is to be expected this far back in the tree.

There can always be surprises, but it appears we are receiving a very quick and exciting result to the formation of our Bartee Surname Project!!!

Kits - Ascent, 12-20-21

Shown below: the first 37 markers for all kits from the project’s page – DNA Results – colorized chart

Kits - 37 markers

The circled numbers deviate from the results of the bottom 3 kits for the Robert Bartee line. Minor differences in columns with the brown/maroon column headings are of less importance as these are where mutations occur more rapidly. You will note any deviations on the bottom 3 kits are in these areas. You may view the full list at the projects FTDNA page. All current kits fall within the guidelines for having some relationship. To give you something to look forward to, one of the kits is currently being upgraded to the Y-111. Once that is completed, it may have some impact on the following section (TiP Report).

TiP Report
Each kit in the project has been compared individually against every other kit to determine the possible number of generations to the common ancestor for those 2 kits. The following table is the result of that comparison. Read on, below the table, for more information.

TiP Report 12-20-21

From ISOGG Wiki
TiP is an abbreviation for Time Predictor. TiP is a proprietary tool provided by Family Tree DNA which allows for a probabilistic comparison between two Y-STR haplotypes to determine the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA). The program incorporates marker-specific mutation rates to increase the power and precision of the TMRCA estimates.

Okay, remember I said those brown/maroon columns on the project’s DNA Results page were prone to more rapid mutations? In making a prediction the TiP takes this into consideration, along with information the user provides indicating “no possibility of a common ancestor within ‘x’ generations.” In the table above, I indicated in (parenthesis) the number of markers compared AND that the MRCA was in > (more than) a specified number of generations based upon the reported ancestral line for each kit. A range of probabilities has been entered for each comparison along with an * by the option I’m using. My recollection from the videos viewed on this process is that you want to choose something midrange between the 50% and 90-ish%. I am going with the 70-80% range. Anything from 50% to 90-ish% is possible, it is just a guideline to go by. If these time predictions are close to accurate, we have just a little way to go on reaching the common ancestor level for the green kits, and a bit further for our blue kit.

I hope that gave you something to think about, a little something new, or possibly a little clearer picture of what is going on with the Y-DNA test results. Researching this has been an enlightening process for me, once I managed to get my eyes uncrossed! LOL

Happy Holidays!!!
Linda Mearse
Bartee Origins – Project Administrator

Acknowledgements

1. ↑ Permission received to identify the Barty line of kit #169883 as the ancestry of Jeanette Harper (nee Barty) of Canberra, Australia. Ms. Harper has done extensive research on her ancestry both in Australia and Scotland, and this provided the original basis for the WikiTree profiles associated with this branch of our shared tree. Additionally, her efforts in pursuing DNA as a research tool provided that valuable link to Scotland for the North American branch of the family.